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The President’s Inbox

The India-Pakistan Crisis, With Šumit Ganguly

The President’s Inbox

Council on Foreign Relations

Politics, News:politics, News

4.5698 Ratings

🗓️ 20 May 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Šumit Ganguly, senior fellow and director of the U.S.-India Program at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, sits down with James M. Lindsay to discuss the origins and consequences of the recent military clash between nuclear powers India and Pakistan.   Mentioned on the Episode:   Šumit Ganguly, “What Is the Risk of a Conflict Spiral Between India and Pakistan?” Foreign Policy For an episode transcript and show notes, visit The President’s Inbox at: https://www.cfr.org/podcasts/tpi/india-pakistan-crisis-sumit-ganguly

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0:00.0

Welcome to the President's inbox. I'm Jim Lindsay, the Mary and David Boy's Distinguished Senior Fellow in U.S. foreign policy at the Council in Foreign Relations. This week's topic is the India-Pakistan Crisis.

0:29.1

With me to discuss the origins of the recent military clash between nuclear powers India and Pakistan and the durability of the current ceasefire is Shumit Ganguli.

0:34.7

Shumit is a senior fellow and directs the Huntington program on strengthening

0:38.6

U.S. India relations at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. A specialist on the

0:45.6

contemporary politics of South Asia, he has written and edited 20 books on the region. He recently

0:51.5

wrote a piece for foreign policy titled, What is the Risk of a Conflict

0:55.0

Spiral between India and Pakistan? Shemit, thank you for joining me on the President's inbox.

1:01.0

Thank you very much, Jim, for this opportunity.

1:04.0

Shumit, the clash between India and Pakistan came two weeks after five armed terrorists

1:09.4

attacked and killed 26 people, mostly tourists, near Pahagam,

1:14.8

in the Indian-administered portion of Jammu in Kashmir.

1:20.2

What do we know about the attackers?

1:22.6

What we do know about the attacks is that based on their own admission, it was an organization called

1:30.8

the Resistance Front that carried it out. It is also known that the Resistance Front is an offshoot

1:39.4

of a well-known Pakistan-based terrorist organization, the Lashkari Taiba.

1:46.2

And since they claimed responsibility, there is no reason to believe that they were not

1:53.7

behind this attack. What was particularly striking about this attack is that they segregated men and women and then proceeded

2:04.8

to ask the men to recite certain key verses from the Quran. And if they failed to recite these

2:13.8

verses, they were shot in cold blood. Okay, so it was clearly a religiously motivated attack,

2:20.2

and you mentioned Lashkaa-Taiba. That was the same group responsible for the 2008 terrorist

2:26.4

attack in Mumbai that killed 166 people, correct? That is correct. It is the same organization

2:33.6

that was responsible for the November 2008 attack.

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