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Deadline: White House

“The independence? of the Federal Reserve”

Deadline: White House

Nicolle Wallace, MS NOW

Politics, News, Ms Now, Government, Nicolle Wallace, Daily News, Msnbc, Versant, The White House, Washington Dc

4.56.4K Ratings

🗓️ 12 January 2026

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Nicolle Wallace covers the breaking news that the Trump DOJ has opened a criminal probe into Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell over whether Powell lied to Congress about the scope of the renovations of the Fed’s headquarters. This probe comes after nearly a year of Powell refusing to cut interest rates despite a pressure campaign from Donald Trump.

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0:00.0

Hi there, everyone. Happy Monday. It's 4 o'clock in New York. Message to all the titans of industry,

0:10.5

the tech bros and finance folks who fly private and think Donald Trump's unrestained fetish

0:15.6

with retribution and revenge doesn't impact you, won't impact you over the next three years.

0:21.9

Unfortunately, I fear you're about to be proven very wrong as he gins up a politically motivated

0:27.1

criminal probe into Jerome Powell that former Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen says puts the

0:32.8

United States of America on a path toward a banana republic. Breaking over the weekend, news that the Trump

0:38.2

Justice Department has opened a criminal investigation into Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell

0:43.1

over whether Powell lied to Congress about the scope of the renovations of the Fed's headquarters.

0:49.1

It comes after nearly a year of Powell standing up to Donald Trump and asserting his independence and that of the

0:55.3

Federal Reserve amid an all-out pressure campaign by Donald Trump to get Powell to cut interest rates,

1:01.9

even if doing so could be devastating for the U.S. economy. Powell posted a video on the website of

1:07.1

the Board of the Governors of the Federal Reserve calling out the Trump administration.

1:11.9

Watch.

1:13.8

This unprecedented action should be seen in the broader context of the administration's threats

1:19.0

and ongoing pressure.

1:21.2

This new threat is not about my testimony last June or about the renovation of the Federal

1:26.5

Reserve buildings.

1:28.6

It is not about Congress's oversight role. The Fed, through testimony and other public disclosures, made every

1:34.1

effort to keep Congress informed about the renovation project. Those are pretexts. The threat

1:41.4

of criminal charges is a consequence of the Federal Reserve setting interest rates based on our best assessment of what will serve the public, rather than following the preferences of the President.

1:53.0

This is about whether the Fed will be able to continue to set interest rates based on evidence and economic conditions, or whether instead monetary policy will be directed

2:01.7

by political pressure or intimidation. I have served at the Federal Reserve under four administrations,

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