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National Park After Dark

The Incarcerated Women Fighting California’s Fires: Santa Monica National Recreation Area

National Park After Dark

Danielle LaRock & Cassandra Yahnian

True Crime, Places & Travel, History, Society & Culture

4.65.8K Ratings

🗓️ 27 April 2026

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Across California, incarcerated women are sent to the frontlines of wildfires, risking their lives for a chance at reduced sentences and a small paycheck. On Malibu 13-3, an all-women fire crew, the work was brutal, the stakes were high, and the bond between crew members ran deep. When a falling boulder killed one of their own, it exposed the reality behind the program, the risks, the lack of protection, and the lives forever changed in its wake. For a full list of our sources, visit npadpodcast.com/episodes For the latest NPAD updates, group travel details, merch and more, follow us on npadpodcast.com and our socials: Instagram: @‌nationalparkafterdarkTikTok: @‌nationalparkafterdark Support the show by becoming an Outsider and receive ad free listening, bonus content and more on Patreon or Apple Podcasts. Want to see our faces? Catch full episodes on our YouTube Page! Thank you to this week’s partners! Become a Fora Advisor today at https://www.foratravel.com/npad If you like your money, Mint Mobile is for you. Shop plans at https://www.mintmobile.com/npad Born from over a decade of longevity research, OneSkin’s OS-1 Peptide™ is proven to target the visible signs of aging, helping you unlock your healthiest skin now and as you age. For a limited time, try OneSkin with 15% off using code NPAD at https://www.oneskin.co/NPAD Give your cat the food they deserve with Smalls. High-quality ingredients, no weird fillers, and it’s delivered right to your door. Head to smalls.com/NPAD and use code NPAD at checkout. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

The very first known woman firefighter in the United States was a black woman named Molly Williams.

0:07.0

It was back in New York City in 1815 and she was a member of the Oceanus Engine Company number 11 and worked side by side with male firefighters.

0:17.0

Legend has it, she wore a calico dress and a checkered apron when she helped pull the huge water pump through deep snow to extinguish fires.

0:24.6

She was such a hardworking team player, her crew even gave her the nickname, Volunteer Number 11.

0:30.6

They like to say that Molly was, quote, as good a fire laddie as many of the boys.

0:36.6

A children's book has even been written about her.

0:39.3

But an essential part of her story is often overlooked.

0:43.3

Molly Williams was enslaved.

0:45.3

She didn't choose to risk her life fighting fires.

0:48.3

She was brought to the firehouse by the man who enslaved her and made her do the work.

0:53.3

That legacy of forced labor and firefighting hasn't entirely disappeared.

0:58.5

Today as wildfires become more frequent, destructive and unpredictable, there is no state

1:03.8

that utilizes the prison system for their inmate fire crews more than the state of

1:08.3

California.

1:09.6

To meet the need of a year-round fire season, California

1:12.6

uses inmate fire crews who make up roughly 30% of the state's firefighting force.

1:18.6

These individuals can volunteer for the program, but they are paid as little as $1 an hour,

1:24.6

plus a few dollars a day to perform dangerous, physically demanding work on the front lines.

1:29.3

The state has acknowledged that this system has saved over $1.2 billion in firefighting costs.

1:36.3

But those savings come with real human risk.

1:39.3

Many of these incarcerated firefighters, including women, face increasingly dangerous conditions as fires grow larger and more volatile.

1:48.0

And behind these systems are stories that don't often get told. Welcome to National Park After Dark.

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