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I'm Rebecca LaVoy, and this is Crime Writers On.

Crime Writers On is the original True Crime Review podcast that digs in a true crime,

pop culture, other podcasts.

And on this episode, they found their cousin to be an annoying blowhard.

Then he got arrested for hiring a hitman to murder his ex-wife, which didn't improve their opinion of him. We're talking about the podcast, The Idiot from Serial Productions and The New York Times. Joining me to get that done in more is true crime author, TV journalist, and host of. These are their stories podcast, my husband and love of my life, Kevin Flynn. Hello, Kevin. Hello, Rebecca. Also with us, private investigator, certified pet detective, resident cat lady, and author of The Final Curtain. It's Lara Bricker. Hi, Rebecca. Also with us. Private Investigator, certified pet detective,

resident cat lady and author of the final curtain.

It's Laura Bricker.

Hi, Laura.

Hey, Rebecca.

And finally,

our Captain of All Things Cynical,

author of the city trilogy,

host of Rip Current,

more like ancient phalions,

Strange Arrivals,

and our Patreon Deep Dive Book Club podcast,

Toby Ball.

Oh, Anno. Hey, Rebecca. So, Kevin, this is a Monday's program. It is. What's coming up on Thursday's show? On Thursday, we're talking about the Netflix, true crime series, The Predator of Seville. Wow. Reminds me if the documentary doesn't remind me of this, but the title reminds me of that Bugs Bunny, Elmer Fudd. Isn't there like, The Barber of Savit? No, I think Toby talked about this last time. No, that's a little fucking rascals. There's a little rascals. Yeah. For got it. There's something internalized. The Barber of Seville. That one. The barber of some filth. It's got to, okay, it's probably completely different.

That's right.

It's a whole other thing, and I probably just put those words to it. So, Laura, we had to start this podcast a little bit later. You don't have to give any details. But you're now like a trial subpoena server as part of your investigative work? Oh, I have been. Yes. Yeah. What's that like telling someone they have to show up to court? Well, I do it. I'm the most friendly subpoena server you're ever going to see. You know, I'm always like, I try to arrange. I tell people ahead of time. I'm not like Dog the Bounty Hunter. I'm like subpoena with a smile. Really? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and sometimes people do hide from me. Come and get you. And then I'm like, okay, I am going to probably show up at your place of work. But I'm going to be really nice when I come in. Hi. Yeah. I've always say that, you know, a lot of times, I think people underestimate the lengths to which people will go to avoid getting involved in like a police matter or a criminal matter. Do you find that's the case when

you serve subpoenas? People are like, no, I don't want to be involved. Well, I will say it's usually ahead of time when people don't want to be involved. Like if you reach out to somebody and they're like, yeah, I don't want to touch that with a 10 foot pole. Or then they'll be like, well, does this me I have to go to court and I'll be like, well, you know, I'm not the lawyer. I'm just the fact finder.

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