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The Identity Trap

If Books Could Kill

Michael Hobbes & Peter Shamshiri

Books, Politics, Arts, Society & Culture, News

4.67.3K Ratings

🗓️ 14 December 2023

⏱️ 107 minutes

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"There are two kinds of political scientists: The types who deal with noisy data and post on Twitter with a bunch of caveats. And then there are the types who write books about identity politics."

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0:00.0

Can't do any jokes about identity politics. They're all fucking they're all why they're all battle on B shit

0:06.3

You can't do a satirical crack about it because it won't register to 90% of our listeners who already believe that I'm a conservative.

0:15.0

But a sexy conservative, Peter, due to the voice, to the EQ.

0:20.0

They know that I have woke elements, but listen to or watch football highlights and that is that's

0:26.7

reactionary coded I admit from a team with a problematic name.

0:30.1

I've made the promise I've told people that if we don't win the Super Bowl this year we're getting more racist.

0:34.6

It's the only way to fight the power.

0:36.3

I like that this podcast has become a venue for us to repeat our best Twitter jokes.

0:41.6

That was a fucking banger.

0:42.9

You're getting it again.

0:43.9

Uh, Peter.

0:45.4

Michael.

0:46.4

What do you know about the identity trap?

0:48.7

Is the trap that when you're a white guy who turns 40, you have to start complaining about identity politics? So today's episode is about the identity trap by Yasha Monk. It's a little bit different from the other books that we've done in that it's not like the best-sellingest book imaginable, but it does make a series of arguments that are increasingly prevalent about like the problems with identity politics etc and so I think it's a good

1:29.7

Incapsulation of this the non-psycho version of this argument.

1:43.1

So the author, Yasha Monk, he's acutely aware

1:46.2

that he's making an argument pretty similar

1:49.3

to people like Chris Rufo and Richard Henania,

1:52.4

basically people who explicitly want to get Trump elected.

1:55.2

And so what he is doing is saying, okay, we know that this has kind of been hijacked by some of these further right people. What I'm trying to do is make

2:05.8

like the good faith, smart version of the argument that identity politics has taken over

2:12.0

the left and is becoming an electoral liability.

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