The Idaho Four Pt. 1 (with J. Reuben Appelman)

Serial Killers

Spotify Studios

True Crime, History, Education

4.6 • 30.3K Ratings

🗓️ 28 July 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

In the early morning hours of November 13, 2022, four students at the University of Idaho were murdered in their off-campus home. The shocking brutality of the murders garnered media attention while police searched for the killer. But for author and private investigator J. Reuben Appelman, the story was personal: his own daughter was a student at the same college as the victims. And he wanted to know about the people behind the story. Who were Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin, and Xana Kernodle in life? Keep up with us on Instagram @serialkillerspodcast. J.’s book, While Idaho Slept: The Hunt For Answers in the Murders of Four College Students, is available now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	One of my goals was to tell the beautiful story of these victims and to memorialize them in that way and to not exploit some of the weaknesses that they might have had that we all have.
0:20.0	I think everything that I say is colored with a big heart, you know.
0:25.4	Welcome to Serial Killers, a Spotify podcast.
0:28.8	Every Monday, we bring you the true crime stories that stand out.
0:32.1	I'm Janice Morgan.
0:33.6	We'd love to hear from you.
0:35.3	Follow us on Instagram at Serial Killers podcast and share your thoughts on this week's episode.
0:40.7	Or if you're listening on the Spotify app, swipe up and leave a comment.
0:44.9	To help us tell today's story, we interviewed Jay Rubin Appelman, a private investigator and author.
0:51.0	His most recent book covers the 2022 murders of Kaley Gonzalez, Madison Mogan,
0:56.6	Zana Kurnodl, and Ethan Chapin in their Moscow- Idaho home. We're so grateful he could share his
1:02.2	expertise. This episode includes discussions of murder. Consider this when deciding how and when you'll
1:09.4	listen. Stay with us.
1:12.0	I've ruled out uni because I want to live at home.
1:14.5	I've ruled out uni because I want to earn money.
1:17.8	I've ruled out uni because of my grades.
1:22.1	Study with the Open University and there's no need to rule out anything.
1:26.0	With our respected degrees, you can learn from home and work alongside study.
1:29.3	We're open to all.
1:31.3	Plus, you'll have the support of expert tutors.
1:34.3	So rethink your future with the degree you didn't think was possible.
1:38.3	The Open University. The future is open.
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