Hey, my name is Chris Brennan, and you're listening to the astrology podcast.

Joining me today is Benabel Wen and we're going to be talking about the Eiching

which is a system of divination. So hey, thanks for joining me today.

Thank you, Chris. Nice to have to this chance to talk to you.

Yeah, I'm a big fan of your work in different forms of divination, including

Taro, the Eiching, and all these different systems, and I appreciate the approach that you bring to it which is both

scholarly but also has like a

mystical tend to it in terms of the topic of divination.

And you just published this book last year

on the E Ching, which is this huge book

where you bring sort of the same comprehensiveness

that I know you've brought to Tarot to that area. So yeah, so I wanted to talk about that today and also talk about some connections in terms of astrology and what we can learn from the Eiching that might be applicable as a system of divination that's also applicable to astrology.

I had previously done a similar episode with T Susan Chang about tarot and astrology and some of the crossovers or some of the things that we could learn from both.

So I thought it would be interesting to do a similar discussion with you today regarding this.

And that's a topic I'm very interested in so I'm glad to have the opportunity to talk about this.

Awesome. So let's start with square one. What is the E Ching?

What is the Eching? What is the Eching? I lately have been thinking of it as ancient Chinese generative AI

because it really is pretty much a computing system if you think about it.

You start with the zeros and ones, a binary system of yin and yang, and then it created through

the programming code is thought of even in ancient times as some form of software that is

generating things happening in the hardware. So for example, DNA has the same structure of the binary

and has the same structure as the binary and has the same structure as the

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