Welcome to Kelly Corrigan Wonders. I'm Kelly Corrigan and today I'm wondering about these

bodies that we live in and how hard it is to keep them safe and in good working order.

In particular, I'm wondering about the Dr. Patient relationship and how we can interact

with each other in ways that help us get the right care at the right time.

My conversation today is with a beloved Bay Area pediatrician named Sarah Handlesman,

who just so happens to have taken care of both my daughters since the early 2000s.

And my second guest is Dr. Katherine Takach Whitkop, who is yet another model of the kind

of intellectual humility we've been talking about this month on Kelly Corrigan Wonders.

So join us. We'll be right back.

Welcome back to Kelly Corrigan Wonders. I'm Kelly Corrigan and I've been doing a bit of a study

this month on something called intellectual humility, which is put simply knowing that all

knowledge is partial, meaning we don't entirely know our children or our spouse. We do not have

and will not have and never have had complete information that could factor into a work decision.

Not a few to CEO, not a few to summer intern. Doctors, which is what we're talking about today,

are rarely considered humble. In fact, there's a common and well-known God complex hanging over

the profession, even though the Hippocratic oath is so unambitious. First, do no harm.

The doctors I have with me today are lifetime learners who love collaboration and feedback

and ongoing education. They're naturally curious. They respect the patient's point of view,

and they challenge their own assumptions and snap judgments. First up is a conversation with

pediatrician, Dr. Sarah Handlesman. I'm so happy today because one of my most special people,

one of the people I feel luckiest who have ever met is on the pod. This is Sarah Handlesman,

and Sarah is the pediatrician for both of my daughters. Hi, Sarah. Hey, Kel. So a thing about

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