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Rational Security

The “Huffin’ and Puffin” Edition

Rational Security

The Lawfare Institute

Foreignpolicy, Nationalsecurity, News, Government, Politics, Middleeast

4.82K Ratings

🗓️ 4 June 2025

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

This week, Scott sat down with Lawfare’s Ukraine Fellow Anastasiia Lapatina and Contributing Editors Eric Ciaramella and Alex Zerden to talk through the week’s big national security and foreign policy news, including: 

  • “The Road to Damascus.” Over the past two weeks, the Trump administration has done an extraordinary about-face on U.S. policy towards Syria, installing almost universal exceptions to most existing sanctions programs and promising to end others. European and other allies seem poised to follow suit, all in an effort to forestall the feared collapse of the post-Assad transitional government being headed by Ahmed al-Sharaa, himself a former terrorist leader. But will it be enough to put post-Civil War Syria on the road to recovery? And will this new policy orientation prove sustainable?
  • “No Fly Zone.” Ukraine struck a historic blow deep into Russian territory over the weekend with a daring series of coordinated drone attacks—dubbed “Operation Spider Web”—that may have wiped out as much as a third of Moscow’s strategically important long range bombers. But will the attack help drive the costs of the conflict home to Russia, or trigger another round of escalation? And how will it be received by the Trump administration, several senior members of which are skeptical of U.S. support for Ukraine?
  • “Double Taxation.” President Trump’s aggressive use of tariffs suffered a pair of defeats in federal court last week, as two different courts chose to enjoin them, for two different sets of reasons. While both decisions have since been stayed, it’s a discouraging sign for the viability of the legal authorities being relied on by the Trump administration. Yet President Trump has continued to threaten tariffs aggressively, including against Europe. How big a threat are these legal holdings to the Trump administration’s policy agenda? And how will they impact its efforts to negotiate new bilateral trade deals, with allies and rivals alike?

In Object Lessons, Eric polished off the last of The Rehearsal’s Season 2 and was left in awe of the show’s ability to actually become a show. Nastya returned from colder climates with a warm endorsement of all things Finland: its history, its icy stare at Russia, and its impressive ability to survive both. Speaking of war, Scott dove sword-first into fantasy, reminded of Joe Abercrombie’s The First Law trilogy after the new release of “The Devils.” And Alex kept it historical with a recommendation of “The Watchdog: How the Truman Committee Battled Corruption and Helped Win World War Two,” by Steve Drummond.

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0:00.0

Nassia, I am thrilled to see you on camera because I can tell you have an intact nose. All your

0:06.8

extremities appear to be normal flesh tone. They're not blue or black, have fallen off from

0:11.1

frostbite because you've just come back from places cold and dark, as I understand. Is that right?

0:16.3

You were just in the Arctic? Yes, I was in Arctic Norway, like a week ago or two weeks ago, but it's not

0:24.0

dark because it's already midnight sun, so it's actually on the contrary, always light. And it was

0:31.2

quite cold, but yeah, it was very exciting. What was it like? I have always wanted, I have been to Alaska before.

0:39.0

I think it's about as far north as I've ever gone.

0:40.9

And that was amazing.

0:42.2

I can only imagine I've always wanted to go.

0:44.3

For anybody out there who wants an international lawyer to show up at their conference on Arctic things or issues, I'm your guy because I've wanted to go to the Arctic for so long.

0:52.4

Like, what was it like?

0:53.4

How interesting was it?

0:54.7

You mentioned it was cold.

0:56.0

That I can guess.

0:56.5

I got that from J.D. Vance's pictures from visiting Greenland a few weeks ago, but he was

1:01.3

very cold-looking.

1:02.7

Like, how did you manage?

1:03.9

How did it go?

1:04.8

It was super fascinating.

1:05.9

So I was invited to a conference about various security issues in the high north, but I also am sort of working

1:14.1

on a project about Russia and the Arctic security issues. So I stayed a little bit extra, and I went

1:21.7

to Kyrgyknes, which is a town on the Norwegian border with Russia. It's like literally like you can drive.

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