You're listening to the Tudor's Dynasty podcast with Rebecca Larson.

When I think about topics that I've been longing to do, the Deadlies have been at the top of my list for quite some time.

And, well, that's because I was patiently waiting for today's guest to publish her new book, The House of Deadly, the Fall of England's Most Scandalous Family.

Dr. Joanne Paul, welcome. Thank you so much for

having me on. This is such a privilege. My interest in the Deadlies obviously comes from John

Dudley's close connection with the Seymours, which I've learned goes back to the first half of

Henry the 8th's reign and Edward Seymour. Can you explain how John Dudley

and Edward Seymour met and how long they knew one another? This was in many ways one of the,

I guess, sort of not quite discoveries of this book, but for me it was something that went far

deeper than I had previously realized,

because I think we view the relationship between Edward Seymour and John Dudley through

the lens of what happens much, much later and their rivalry in the reign of Edward the

sixth. But they had a very, very long friendship.

They met on, well, the first record we have of them being in the same place at the same time.

They may have met before that is when they're on the battlefields of France in the early 1520s

under the command of Charles Brandon.

And they're knighted a few days apart.

And from there, we start to see a relationship and a friendship growing.

They start to do property deals together, take the stadium sides in various transactions and politically and

religiously as well. We start to see a connection between the two families as they grow.

And so when Henry VIII dies, it's very, very clear to all of those watching and observing and recording

that it's going to be not just Edward Seymour, who sort of has the primacy, but this

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