This is exactly right.

I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson.

I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator

who's worked some of America's most complicated cases

and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold, very cold. This is buried bones.

Music Hey, Paul.

Hey, Kate. How are you today?

I'm doing well. I wanted to ask you a question because, you know, you and I come from backgrounds where sometimes people don't like us for what we do for a living.

Sometimes people don't like journalists and sometimes people don't like, you know, law enforcement, even like the forensic community.

Do you think it has made you a more cautious, paranoid, anything like that, like too much over the top?

Do you feel like you look over your shoulder every once in a while?

Have you ever felt like that in your career?

Oh, yeah, no, for sure.

In fact, there's a couple of times in my career? Oh yeah, no for sure. In fact,

there's a couple of times in my career in which I've received death threats. What? The very first

time, which was when I first started, I was just a civilian toxicologist. And I testified against a guy,

I think it was a manufacturing a drugs charge. And he was a bad guy. He ended up being sentenced and put in

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