The Horse That Changed Manchester United - Part One with David Walsh
It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast
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4.9 • 667 Ratings
🗓️ 15 April 2025
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast.
In today's episode, hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by journalist David Walsh to explore how the modern fortunes of Manchester United are intertwined with one of the greatest racehorses in history.
This is the extraordinary story of Rock of Gibraltar, the famed racehorse part-owned by Sir Alex Ferguson - and how his connections and relationships with John Magnier, and JP McManus would ultimately impact the Glazers' takeover of Manchester United.
David Walsh shares insider details from his investigative work on the story, making this one of the most fascinating sports sagas of recent times.
Tune in on Friday for part two, and the implications of the Glazers' takeover - and Manchester United's decline.
00:00 The Tale of the Lost Kingdom
00:25 Introduction to the Podcast and Special Guest
00:35 The Story of Rock of Gibraltar
01:25 David Walsh's Insights
02:28 The Connection Between Sir Alex Ferguson and John Magner
07:36 The Rise of Rock of Gibraltar
17:21 The Dispute Over Ownership
19:26 The Financial Implications
29:04 Ownership Dispute and Legal Battle
29:52 High Court Drama and Stakeholder Tensions
30:50 Public Fallout and Media Frenzy
34:02 Settlement and Aftermath
38:39 The Glazers' Takeover
41:35 Reflecting on Missed Opportunities
49:45 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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| 0:00.0 | For the want of a nail, the shoe was lost. |
| 0:09.8 | For the one of a shoe, the horse was lost. |
| 0:12.3 | For the one of a horse, the rider was lost. |
| 0:15.0 | For the one of a rider, the message was lost. |
| 0:17.4 | For the one of a message, the battle was lost. |
| 0:19.9 | For the one of a battle, the kingdom was lost. For the one of the battle, the kingdom was lost, |
| 0:22.2 | and all for the want of a horse she nail. Welcome to It Was What It Was, a Football History podcast. I'm John Wilson. I'm with Rob Draper. We're joined today by a very special guest in David Walsh. And today we're going to be talking about the club that was lost for one of a horse. I think this is an extraordinary tale, isn't it, Jonathan? |
| 0:38.3 | We're talking about Rockford reporter, one of the great racers of its time, part-owned by Sir Alex Ferguson. And some people would say the decline in Manchester United States today goes back to this moment. So I think there's some merit in just digging deep into the granular detail of what happened from Rock of Gibraltar. |
| 0:54.7 | And in part two on Friday, we'll look at the glazers taken over and how that's |
| 0:59.4 | contributed to the decline in Manchester United. |
| 1:01.9 | Oh, it's absolutely extraordinary story. |
| 1:03.3 | I mean, a story of, I guess, egos as much as anything else. |
| 1:06.9 | Yeah, I know we often have this dispute about our events led by wider financial trends, |
| 1:13.9 | you know, huge socioeconomic trends, are they on the details? Of course, the truth is it's both. |
| 1:18.8 | But this really is a detail. This is a contingency which has extraordinary consequences. |
| 1:25.1 | A race also at Pro Football Club. And to discuss this, I don't |
| 1:28.3 | think we could actually have anyone better, not only because he's a great journalist. David Walsh is |
| 1:33.6 | most famously known as the man who brought down Lance Armstrong, the cyclist, and exposed his |
| 1:38.4 | doping, and has had a feature feel made about that event. He's also a fantastic football writer. |
| 1:45.7 | He had several stories about Team Sky. He's one of the must read people in the English newspapers, but he also was at heart |
| 1:51.4 | this story. He knew most of the characters. He wrote one of the definitive, I think the definitive |
| 1:56.1 | piece about it, which was the horse that won too much in the Sunday times. David, welcome to the show. |
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