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From Pushkin Industries, this is deep background, the show where we explore the stories behind

the stories in the news. I'm Noah Feldman. We're going to have a new episode in your feed on

Wednesday. But before then, I wanted

to share this episode with you from our archives. I couldn't stop thinking about it in the light

of the insurrection at the Capitol. It's a conversation I had with Kathleen Ballou, a historian

at the University of Chicago. Her book, Bring the War Home, The White Power Movement,

and Paramilitary America is the definitive look at the modern history of the white power movement.

I spoke to Kathleen in May of 2019, just after a shooting at a synagogue outside San Diego,

in which one person was killed and three

were injured. She helped me then see how that shooting was not just an isolated action by a white

supremacist, but part of a broader social movement. And she predicted that there would be more

attacks. Unfortunately, Kathleen was right. I've been thinking about our conversation because it helped me put what happened at the Capitol into historical context. It's no surprise that Kathleen has been widely interviewed and quoted in the last week. I hope listening to her now helps you contextualize the same way it has done for me.

Kathleen, welcome to deep background.

Before we dive into the history and prehistory of white power and white supremacy. Can I ask you just a personal

question? How did you get interested in this topic? It is not the most obvious topic for a

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