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I'm Steve Lashman, the Red Chest.

This week on the interview episode,

Casey Newton and I sat down with Caroline Cinders,

who is a machine learning expert, a designer, a product designer,

and a fellow at the Harvard Kennedy Digital School,

where she's compiling an exhaustive history of online harassment.

Now, most people think harassment began in 2014 with gamer gate,

but it started long before that.

Gamer gate was just an inflection point.

We talked about that a lot.

We discussed how other scandals, like donut gate, pizza gate,

operate, how they keep growing, how they've turned into a playbook

for other harassment campaigns online.

And we discussed all of the tactics that harassers online use,

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