The history of Hamas, and its likely grim future - with Jonathan Schanzer

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Society, October 7, Hamas, War, Foreign Policy, Geopolitics, Israel, News Commentary, News, Politics, Elections, Palestine, Dan Senor, Government

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🗓️ 11 October 2023

⏱️ 59 minutes

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We have been getting a lot of questions about the history of Hamas, its ideological roots and objectives, its allies and rivalries, how it wound up in charge of Gaza, the origins of this war, and whether there could actually be a post-Hamas Gaza. For this tutorial, our guest is Dr. Jonathan Schanzer, who is senior vice president for research at Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Jon previously worked as a terrorism finance analyst at the U.S. Department of the Treasury, where he played an integral role in the designation of numerous terrorist financiers. Jon's latest book is "Gaza Conflict 2021: Hamas, Israel and Eleven Days of War". His other books include: "State of Failure: Yasser Arafat, Mahmoud Abbas, and the Unmaking of the Palestinian State", and "Hamas vs. Fatah: The Struggle for Palestine", which is still the only book on the market that analyzes the ongoing Palestinian civil war. Jonathan has studied Middle East history in four countries. He earned his PhD from King’s College London, where he wrote his dissertation on the U.S. Congress and its efforts to combat terrorism in the 20th century. He speaks Arabic and Hebrew.

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0:00.0	This is the essence of the Hamas government, the Hamas terrorist organization.
0:05.0	Their goal is simply one thing.
0:07.5	Kill as many Jews, as many Israelis as possible,
0:10.5	and ultimately, in their minds minds overtake the country.
0:15.0	The idea though that they could even do that, right?
0:17.7	I mean, we're talking about Israel is an advanced country,
0:21.5	nuclear weapons, of course, undeclared. This is not a country that's going anywhere, but yet you have an entire people now that have been fed a steady diet of hatred and the false belief that they can one day conquer Israel.
0:38.0	It is never going to happen and I think right now Hamas may soon meet its end. And I'm pleased to welcome to the podcast for the first time, Jonathan Shanser, who's the Senior Vice President of Research for the Foundation for
1:05.0	Defense of Democracy's.
1:06.2	We've had guests before from FTD on this podcast, including Mark Dubuets. John is also the author of two books on Hamas.
1:15.4	He's a real expert on Hamas, the history of Hamas and Gaza.
1:20.8	Prior to being, prior to joining FTD, he was at the U.S. Department of Treasury, where he was an
1:27.4	analyst on terror financing. So he's been studying how money moves between governments and terror organizations
1:35.1	between terrorist organizations between one another terrorist
1:39.0	terror organizations and obviously Hamas has featured prominently in his work.
1:45.0	John, what I wanted to do over the last couple of days we've heard from
1:50.0	Haaveve reticure from the Times of Israel. We've heard from Brett Stevens from the New York Times. And a number of
1:59.6	listeners have reached out saying what they also need is just a primer that they know
2:07.2	something about Gaza they know something about Hamas they know something about
2:11.1	the history of the Israeli Arab conflict, but now there are two questions they're asking.
2:18.0	One, what is the actual history of, that led to this mess?
2:22.0	And the second question is is I've said repeatedly on this
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