Welcome to the dispatch podcast. I'm Jamie Weinstein. My guest today is David Rubinstein.

He is the co-founder and co-chairman of the Carlisle Group, a host of several interview shows on PBS in Bloomberg TV, owner of the Baltimore Orioles, the

author of his newest book The Highest Calling Conversations on the American

Presidency, which is a collection of interviews that he has done with presidential

historians and presidents and former presidents, the presidency.

It is a fascinating read and the main subject of our podcast today but I also talk to David

about the economy something that he is also highly proficient in an

understanding I think you're going to find this a very interesting so highly proficient in an understanding.

I think you're gonna find this a very interesting conversation.

So without further ado, I give you Mr. David Rubinstein. David Rup David Rubinstein, welcome to the dispatch podcast.

My pleasure, thank you for having me.

First, thank you for writing this book.

I've listened to the whole thing on audio it was fascinating I know

you've had many careers throughout your life and now writing books I hope by the end of

this perhaps I can convince you to be a producer of some of the scenes in this book because I think there are some movie

qualities here that have not put to the to the silver screen with I'll point out as we go along.

Well thank you for taking the time to listen to the book and I hope you enjoyed it. I did. I actually was

captivated especially by a couple of the sections. I want to start with

Lincoln. I'm not going to get through all the presidents but I'm going to try to

touch on some of them.

And in the intro to Lincoln that you write before your interview, something you wrote struck me as an interviewer,

myself like you are, that I had never known, but now seems obvious, and I would like you just a comment on it you

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