Hello, I'm City Journal editor Brian Anderson.

Thanks for joining us for the 10 Blocks podcast featuring urban policy and cultural commentary

with City Journal editors, contributors, and special guests.

Hello, I'm Aaron Wren, contributing editor at City Journal.

I'm very excited to be joined here in the studio today by America's guru of parking policy,

Donald Schoop. Dr. Schupe, thanks for joining us.

Well, thanks for inviting me here.

Donald Schupe is a distinguished research professor in the Department of Urban Planning at UCLA. He's the author of the book, The High Cost of Free Parking, and he's the editor

of Access, which is a magazine that translates academic transportation research into articles the

average person can actually understand. And you can find that online at accessmagize.org.

He is a great writer on thinker on All Matters parking, but today, Dr. Schupe, what I'd like

to discuss is your work on on-street parking. I admit I don't own a car today because I live here in New York,

but when I owned a car back in Chicago, I hated cruising for parking, which could be tough,

but the idea of just putting some quarters into the meter or maybe driving a couple extra blocks

out of my way to search for a free spot on the street, what's wrong with the setup that we have today in on-street parking?

Well, everyone wants to park free, including me,

but that doesn't mean that on-the-street parking should be free.

I agree with you. It's nice to be able to pull up to a meter,

put a little bit of money in, do your business and come back and leave

without a ticket. The problem is that when the parking is free or too cheap, all the curb spaces

are full and you get to where you're going and there's no place to park. The only thing worse

than paying for parking is not

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