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In the overwhelming face of catastrophe, loss, heartache, betrayal, suffering, and pain,

the thing that we need to understand most is how to create an appropriate hierarchy of suffering.

This week on the David Rutherford show.

Over the past month, I have been in a really different space, especially after the incredible experience of going on Sean's show, offloading all of this pain from my past in a way that I had hoped would be a benefit for others.

That was my intent, is that I would tell these stories to all of you,

and you would hear these, the constant reality of the highs and lows of life, and the fact that if you continue to press on

with the right group of people, the right faith, the right framework, the right foundation of support

and your own kind of belief systems that you can climb out of that abyss and get back up on the proverbial

bike of life. And I was going great for a few weeks, and then about four weeks or so ago began this

cascade of suffering that seemed to be omnipresent at every turn or trip or person or

people I was around or integrating with.

It just seemed to kind of come out of nowhere and as if almost to test me to say, all right, was all the things that you talked about,

do you truly believe in them? Because now I'm going to give you, and when I speak in that

context, I'm talking about God. I'm going to give you something to think about on a regular

basis now. And this is the idea of suffering.

And so as I was at, a very good close personal friend of mine had recently gotten divorced over a long, long, difficult road of the relationship and the divorce itself and watched his suffering there and was supported. He met somebody wonderful, fell in love immediately, same background, all this. So they came together and they're having this beautiful wedding up in the Adirondacks. and man, it was just like riding this high. I was there with one of

my other closest friends and his beautiful wife, Dr. Dan Luna and Leslie Luna. And man, we had these

beautiful long discussions about what we've learned in our lives and how we're processing it and just listening

to him and his wife described this really unbelievably difficult road of suffering.

They endured with Dan's mother over the two and a half years that she contracted cancer and

and they did everything in their powers to extend her life to which I 100% and as do

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