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This is the Tom Hartman program.

On the line with us is the author of a fascinating new book, Robert P. Jones, the president

founder of the Public Religion Research Institute.

His new book is the hidden history of white supremacy in the path to a shared American future.

He also has a substack newsletter as whitetoolong.net, W-H-I-T-E-T-O-O-L-O-N-G.net is the website

or just go to substack.com and type in whitetoolong or Robert P. Jones and it'll pop up.

Robert P. Jones is his Twitter handle.

Robert, welcome to the program.

I'm going to ask you to kind of hold my hand here because normally one of the things that makes

me crazy as an author myself is when I'm being interviewed by somebody who has not read my book,

although that's probably 90% of the interviews that I end up doing, you know, where people

are interviewing me. And I have not received your book from your publicist yet.

We were hoping to get it before we did this, so I haven't had a chance to go through it,

so I'm going to have to ask you to kind of walk me through it.

First of all, let's start with the premise of the book. You want to lay that out for us?

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