You're listening to Family Talk, the radio broadcasting division of the James Dobson Family Institute.

I am that James Dobson, and I'm so pleased that you've joined us today.

Well, welcome to Family Talk. I'm Roger Marsh. You know, America does have a rich Christian heritage.

It's woven into the very symbols our founding fathers left behind. And few are more familiar than the great seal of the United States, but also few are more misunderstood as well.

On today's edition of Dr. James Dobson's family talk, we're continuing

Dr. Dobson's fascinating conversation with historical author Michael Canis. On our last program,

Michael revealed the subliminal imagery our founders purposely placed within the Great Seal.

On today's program, he'll uncover even deeper meaning, the providential care of God, virtue, unity, and

freedom, and what these truths mean for our nation today. Here now is the conclusion of that

conversation as we begin today's edition of Dr. James Dobson's family talk.

Dr. Dobson, as with all symbolism, there's often multiple layers of symbolism.

And in our seal is very much entwined the message of the covenant.

And we began to talk about that a little bit when we were referring to the phrase anewitt

coeptis but the olive branch is also referring to the coming branch that's the Prince

of Peace and yeah in an extended sort of metaphor and without going into too much

detail there's a lot of depth and

meaning there. But another way that we see that coming through is in that phrase novice

ordo seclorum, which many people interpret that as the new world order. But it doesn't mean that.

It actually means new order of the ages. And it is taken from, again, from poet Virgil, and it's taken from his series of poems called the Ecologues. This is from the Fourth Echalogues, the Fifth Verse. And the poem goes like this. Now is the final era of Sybil's song.

The new order of the ages born afresh.

Honored rule returns.

Justice returns.

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