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Code Switch

The hidden history of demonizing SNAP recipients

Code Switch

NPR

Society & Culture

4.6 β€’ 14.5K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 8 November 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

Around 42 million people in the United States get SNAP benefits each month to cover basic needs like eggs, bread, and infant formula. Because of the government shutdown, most of those benefits have lapsed, and despite a judge's ruling that the Trump administration release contingency funds to cover the program, the White House will now only offer partial funding. On this episode, we're revisiting our 2019 reporting on how one woman became the symbol for anti-welfare politicians to turn the public against government programs for the poor.

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0:00.0

There's a battle playing out over who should control American universities.

0:04.9

We're going to bankrupt these universities.

0:07.3

In season one, we were guessing what was to come.

0:10.1

Now we know.

0:11.2

We want $500 million from Harvard.

0:13.9

It's season two of The Harvard Plan.

0:16.0

This time, it really is personal.

0:18.3

Listen to On the Media wherever you get your podcasts.

0:38.6

What's good, listener? You are listening to Code Switch, and I am Gene Demby. All right, y'all. So story time, just go on this walk with me, okay? So when I was real young, I want to say like sixth grade, maybe. I went to the corner store on 25th Street called Irves with my mom's. And, you'd be going to Ers forever and Irv you know the owner of the spot will play this game with me where he would

0:43.8

try to test my math skills right he would go fake slow you know what I mean to try to see if I could

0:48.2

tally up the cost of everything we were buying that we put on the counter before he rang us up on

0:53.0

the register so you know he's going fake slow we're playing our little adding game you know what I'm saying at the counter

0:57.2

I beat him to the tally you know not the brag nothing you know I'm saying but when my mom goes to pay

1:02.5

she doesn't pull out dollars she pulls out food stamps and so I go my dumb ass I go are those food stamps I say that like go, my dumb ass, I go, are those food stamps?

1:13.0

I say that like a little too loudly.

1:14.6

And my mom shot me this look like, ugh.

1:17.6

She was embarrassed.

1:19.0

I embarrassed her in front of her.

1:21.9

Then I was embarrassed because I embarrassed her and then I realized I should have been

1:24.7

embarrassed.

1:25.5

And yeah, so she ain't talked to me on that walk back to the house.

1:29.3

So, yeah.

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