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Stansberry Investor Hour

The Hidden Flaw in Wall Street's Trillion-Dollar Maths

Stansberry Investor Hour

Stansberry Research

Business, Investing

4.3680 Ratings

🗓️ 19 May 2026

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

In this week's Stansberry Investor Hour, Dan welcomes James Weatherall to the show. Unlike most of our guests, James does not come from a finance background. However, he has found interesting ways in which physics can change investing. You can check out his book The Physics of Wall Street here.

 

James kicks things off by sharing his background in physics and philosophy. He's interested in mathematics and how it can be applied to the markets. He's a firm believer in using mathematical models to assist in investing but says that it's important to examine your models and check your assumptions that result from them. If one model is good for a particular use case, trying to use it in a different area or within a larger scope than it was originally intended can yield different results than expected. James discusses the models that Louis Bachelier and Edward Thorp (whom he writes about in his book The Physics of Wall Street) created that would have a major impact on investing. (0:00)

 

Next, James mentions extreme events similar to Black Monday and their probability of occurring. He notes that in the long term, investors with 401(k)s would be able to survive and even recover after major crashes. However, anyone who overleverages a trade or invests heavily in the short term is at a greater risk of having their portfolios be wiped out. James also mentions the Kelly criterion, a strategy developed by mathematician John Kelly. In short, this method involves having an understanding of what could happen with stocks better than the markets and using that to your advantage to make the optimized trades possible. And when asked if he would change anything about his ideas in The Physics of Wall Street, he remains adamant that his argument still holds up. (19:01)

 

Finally, James mentions passive trading and volatility and how, over time, the addition of new passive investors will gradually increase market volatility. He adds that there's a scalability problem in the markets. In one example, he says that private markets "worked great 20 years ago" but only "worked OK" 10 years ago. Private markets are slowly becoming less able to sustain the growth they have. And James wraps things up by sharing his personal use cases of AI and his fears with the technology. (34:44)

Transcript

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0:00.0

Get out your pens and pencils, folks. Today's guest is a really smart guy, not a finance guy.

0:08.5

He's a physics guy who wrote a book called The Physics of Wall Street, James Owen Weatherall.

0:13.4

It's a fun book. It's not a hard, crazy technical book, and we're going to talk about a lot of the ideas in it,

0:20.0

which are very important

0:21.1

for investors it's important to know historically where all this stuff is coming from and all

0:26.7

the crazy math that influences i guarantee you influences places that you are putting your money

0:33.2

in your 401k so pay attention and and have fun with this because this stuff is pure fun to learn

0:40.6

about. So let's do it. Let's talk with our guest James Owen Weatherall. Let's do it right now.

0:53.2

James, welcome to the show. Thanks for being here, man.

0:56.1

Thanks so much for having me, Dan.

0:57.7

We have to start with one thing that I need to tell you.

1:02.6

I love your book, The Physics of Wall Street.

1:06.3

Thanks.

1:06.6

Now, I say that not having read the whole thing, but I've used this thing.

1:11.6

I was trying to sit here and count the number of times.

1:13.8

At least three times I've used it as a reference because you do a fantastic job of writing

1:20.5

about some of the great characters in math history and the history of sort of math and finance together.

1:29.0

Edward Thorpe, Mandelbrot, Bachelier.

1:32.4

I think you were like one of my primary sources when I wrote my story about Bachelier.

1:37.3

I think I had three sources and you were one of the best ones.

1:40.5

So thank you for that.

1:42.4

One day, yeah, I'm glad I could be of help.

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