The Heritage Foundation’s New Foundation | Interview: Tim Chapman

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🗓️ 3 November 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Steve Hayes invites seasoned conservative Tim Chapman, president of Advancing American Freedom, to discuss the controversy surrounding Tucker Carlson’s recent interview of Nick Fuentes, the current state of the conservative movement, and the impact of populism on the political landscape. The Agenda:—A crisis of consciousness—Populism and the New Right—Nick Fuentes is not a good person—What happened to the Heritage Foundation?—Politicos are too online—Where are the principled conservatives? Show Notes:—Nick Catoggio’s Boiling Frogs on Fuentes and Carlson—Nick Catoggio's Boiling Frogs on the Heritage Foundation Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Dispatch podcast. I'm Steve Hayes. I'm pleased to be joined today by Tim Chapman,
0:06.3	who is president at Advancing American Freedom, Public Policy Advocacy Organization think tank,
0:12.2	founded by Mike Pence. Tim has a long experience, two plus decades worth of experience,
0:19.0	working in the conservative movement.
0:21.5	He was the executive director of Heritage Action, which is the sort of advocacy arm of the
0:28.4	Heritage Foundation.
0:29.5	He was chief of staff at the Heritage Foundation.
0:32.5	He served as advisors, senior staff to senators Jim DeMint, Don Nichols, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, long-time activist in
0:41.3	the conservative movement and somebody who knows the conservative movement as well as just about
0:46.0	anyone. I wanted to bring Tim on today for a conversation about this moment in the conservative
0:50.9	movement in light of the controversies over Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes, the Heritage Foundation and its pretty dramatic change of course, what we're seeing in online discourse among young Republicans and conservatives, nobody better equipped to answer those questions.
1:07.0	So I hope you'll stick around.
1:25.3	Hey, Steve. Thanks for having me. Great to be here.
1:31.0	Of course. Of course. Happy to having me. Let's start with a big picture look at the conservative movement at this moment in time.
1:51.3	We're recording this late October, early November, 2025. You have the President of the Heritage Foundation recording a video defending Tucker Carlson, who's the most popular news podcaster in the country on charges of anti-Semitism after Tucker Carlson hosted Nick Fuentes, a famous anti-Semite, racist, and white nationalist on his podcast.
1:58.2	You have Donald Trump imposing tariffs, sort of on again, off again,
2:04.4	tariffs on virtually everybody for virtually any reason and Republican Party more or less
2:11.7	cheering him on. You have the administration, I think, define rule of law questions by detaining, sometimes American
2:21.6	citizens without cause, holding them without cause.
2:25.6	You have my longtime mentor, current friend Bill Crystal endorsing Zoran Mamdani, the socialist in the New York City mayor's race.
2:39.5	What's going on with the conservative movement?
2:42.4	Yeah, I mean, we're having a crisis of conscience right now.
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