The Heart of Zen with Henry Shukman

Being Well with Forrest Hanson and Dr. Rick Hanson

Being Well

Education, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.8 • 2.7K Ratings

🗓️ 3 May 2021

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Henry Shukman, the guiding teacher of Mountain Cloud Zen Center, joins Rick and Forrest to explore self-transcendent experiences, relaxing self-identification, and the warm heart at the core of Zen practice. About our Guest: Henry Shukman is a writer, poet, and Zen Master of the Sanbo Zen lineage. He’s published nine books to date which have won numerous awards, and writes regularly for Tricycle, The New York Times and other publications. His most recent book is One Blade of Grass: Finding the Old Road of the Heart, a Zen Memoir. Life After COVID Summit: Join Dr. Rick Hanson, Forrest Hanson, and a roster of world-class experts during this FREE three-day online event to explore our life after COVID. Click here to learn more about the Summit and register now. Key Topics: 1:50: How Henry came to meditative practice. 3:30: Henry’s self-transcendent experience. 7:20: How Zen practice has changed Henry’s experience of himself. 10:35: Gradual cultivation, sudden awakening. 14:30: The role of transcendent experiences. 18:50: The importance of virtue. 21:40: Unethical behavior among contemplative teachers. 22:40: The risks of “seeking” self-transcendent experiences. 27:00: A framework that supports awakening. 31:00: Where it’s valuable to rest our awareness. 35:30: Practicing when there’s suffering associated with the container of the body. 41:10: Non-separateness, and relaxing identification with self. 47:15: Fear around not-self. 48:10: “The apple falls away from the tree.” 51:15: Recap Forrest has a new YouTube channel! Subscribe to the channel, and watch his newest video over there. Sponsors: From Dr. Hanson: The Foundations of Well-Being brings together the lessons of a lifetime of practice into one year-long online program. Podcast listeners can use the code BEINGWELL25 at checkout for an additional 25% off! Please don't hesitate to apply for a scholarship if you're in need. Join over a million people using BetterHelp, the world’s largest online counseling platform. Visit betterhelp.com/beingwell for 10% off your first month! Want to sleep better? Try the legendary Calm app! Visit calm.com/beingwell for 40% off a premium subscription. Start a new healthy habit with Seed! Visit seed.com/beingwell and use code BEINGWELL to get 20% off your first month of Seed’s Daily Synbiotic. Connect with the show: Follow Forrest on YouTube Follow us on Instagram Follow Rick on Facebook Follow Forrest on Facebook Subscribe on iTunes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to Being Well, I'm Forest Hanson.
0:11.1	If you're new to the podcast, this is where we explore the practical science of lasting
0:15.5	well-being, and if you've listened before, welcome back.
0:19.0	I'm joined today as usual by Dr. Rick Hanson, so dad, how are you doing today?
0:23.2	I'm very good in general, and I'm honestly extremely psyched about talking with Henry Schokman
0:29.9	today, including for the ways in which I know it will nourish my own personal practice.
0:37.2	And that's not something I say that often about anyone.
0:43.8	It's very high praise covered for you, dad.
0:45.8	No, I mean, I think it's totally true.
0:47.2	I've been really looking forward to this, and as you said today, we're very happy to welcome
0:51.5	the guiding teacher of Mountain Cloud Zen Center, Henry Schokman.
0:55.5	So Henry is a writer, a poet, and a Zen master of the Sonbo Zen lineage.
1:00.3	He's published nine books to date, which have won numerous awards, and he writes regularly
1:04.4	for a tricycle, the New York Times, and other publications.
1:08.1	His most recent book is One Blade of Grass, finding the old road of the heart, a Zen memoir.
1:13.1	It's a wonderful book that I know Rick has been reading recently and has deeply enjoyed.
1:18.0	So Henry, thanks so much for being here.
1:19.9	How are you today?
1:20.9	Well, right now I'm a little embarrassed, actually.
1:25.3	I mean, Rick, I'm going to be a let down, I'm afraid, after that kind of, but I do my best,
1:33.2	but I'm very, very happy to be here, actually.
1:35.8	Yeah, it's just so lovely to have you.
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