Hello and welcome to this day in esoteric political history from Radiotopia.

My name is Jody Avergan.

This day, January 13th, 2018, residents of Hawaii got an emergency alert on their phones and

end-als were mostly on their phones that read, and in the quote here, all caps, no surprise, ballistic missile threat

inbound to Hawaii, seek immediate shelter, this is not a drill. This alert was sent at 8.07 a.m. local time.

Good morning everyone.

And it would be 38 minutes before the alarm was retracted

and people began to realize that this was of course a big big scary

mistake. So here to discuss the Hawaii inbound missile threat not a drill are as

always Nicole Hammer of Columbia and Kelly Carter Jackson.

Wellesley, hello there.

Aloha, Jody.

Hey there.

So there's a lot in this story and then a lot in the sort of larger history of kind of false alarms and fear of annihilation which and so forth.

Let's start maybe at the more kind of per- which and so forth.

Let's start maybe at the more kind of personal level. We should give a shout out to the wonderful

podcast Snap Judgment and radio show Snap Judging.

They did a piece about this where they talked to a lot of people

about their personal reactions. We all just recently we listened to that but

Kelly I mean you and I were chatting before we started taping about just kind of

what people would do in a moment like this?

Oh man and it the range varied so widely so

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