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The Gist

The Harms We Cause While Doing Good

The Gist

Peach Fish Productions

Daily News, News

4.53.7K Ratings

🗓️ 20 March 2023

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

During the Covid-19 pandemic, we limited contact with other people, we wore masks, and we closed public schools. These actions saved lives. Sort of, says David Zweig, a New York-based writer who became a voice of informed opposition to these sacrifices, stating that we may be saving some lives, but at what cost? His Substack is Silent Lunch. We broke our normal format this episode to give you a longer cut of Mike's interview with Zweig, who has a book on our public health systems' response to the pandemic coming out this summer called An Abundance Of Caution. Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara  Email us at thegist@mikepesca.com  To advertise on the show, visit: https://advertisecast.com/TheGist  To subscribe to an Ad-Free or Premium version of The Gist: https://subscribe.mikepesca.com/ Follow Mike's Substack at: Pesca Profundities | Mike Pesca | Substack  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey there! Here's some important news from Network Rail,

0:03.3

if you're planning to catch a train over the May Bank holiday weekends.

0:07.3

From the 28th of April to the 1st of May and from the 27th to the 29th of May,

0:12.8

Network Rail will be working to upgrade and improve the railway for us all.

0:17.2

And while most of the network will stay open,

0:19.7

some train services will be affected. So, be in the know before you go.

0:24.9

Please check before you travel at nationalrail.co.uk forward slash May.

0:30.2

Thanks for listening to The Gist. If you want to check out an ad free version and bonus content,

0:34.8

go to subscribe.micpesca.com. It is the best way to directly support our endeavors.

0:44.6

It's Monday March 20th, 2023 from Peachfish Productions. It's The Gist I'm Mike Pesca.

0:51.2

And for the next couple of days, we are going to delve into what we learned during the pandemic

0:56.8

and what we're still learning. Today is a three-part interview with one guest, David Zwei.

1:04.3

He's reported for New York Magazine, the Atlantic, the Free Press, and other publications.

1:10.2

He was, as we'll get into, part of what's called the Twitter Files.

1:14.4

I don't know if among you, my listeners, that has a good or bad connotation.

1:20.4

But I vouch for Zwei's reporting. He was the first in the pages of New York Magazine,

1:25.5

the first to at least bring to my attention the differences between the US and Europe when it

1:30.1

came to masking school children. And he put his finger on the very true conclusions that

1:37.4

masking in schools among little kids wasn't showing much of a difference. So, we're going to use

1:43.9

that. You get into all sorts of questions about the pandemic, masking the great barrington declaration.

1:51.2

You know what that is. He was right there in the middle of it, as you will hear. And what he thinks

1:56.8

about the quality of the discourse, the debate, the functionality of our systems of actually

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