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Welcome to Axios today. I'm Naila Boodoo. We're here on a Saturday with a special

podcast episode that's part of our Hard Truth's project. It's a year of journalism that examines systemic racism.

Maybe you're skeptical about systemic racism, but here's why we're looking at this.

We're at a moment in American history where there is a reckoning and awareness about the way things have been done.

The widespread protests this summer have injected further urgency and change.

That's true when it comes to community policing, but it's also now affecting police who work

and nearly half of America's public schools.

Since George Floyd's death, at least 40 school districts around the country have disbanded

their district police

police departments or change the way police interact with their schools.

And here's why this matters. Whether it's a suspension or an in-school arrest,

these punishments can sever the ties between students of color and

their education, making them less likely to graduate and often pushing them into the criminal

justice system at a young age. How is the way we think about police in schools changing?

To understand all this, I want to introduce you to two people with very different views.

On one side is a former police officer who started a police department in schools in Georgia.

But first, on the other side is Jackie Byers,

who's been working to remove police from Oakland schools for almost 10 years.

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