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The Hard Truth About Pastors' Pay

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Christianity Today

Religion, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.3622 Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2018

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

We’re in the midst of what could be a significant transition for American pastoral salaries. A lawsuit challenging the longstanding clergy housing allowance is in the court of appeals. Last year’s tax reform bill made significant changes to the standard deduction, which could have dramatic effects for the level of giving churches have historically relied upon. As CT Pastors recently reported, “staffing costs typically account for 45 to 55 percent of a church’s budget. But with recent changes in costs, demographics, and giving in US churches, many are questioning that model.” Beyond these larger changes, churches, whether part of denominations or nondenominational, have long struggled with knowing how to fairly compensate pastors and other employees, says Brian Kluth, who currently leads the National Association of Evangelical’s Financial Health initiative, which seeks to improve the financial health of pastors and church. “There are real critical pay issues for people in church and really at all levels and all genders,” said Kluth. Kluth joined digital media producer Morgan Lee and editor in chief Mark Galli to discuss the inconsistent ways pastors are compensated, how American Christian giving (or lackthereof) affects this conversation, and the perks and breaks pastors receive and how they should be considered when determining salary. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:45.6

On today's show, Brian Cluth joins us to discuss the changing state of pastoral salaries.

1:01.4

Thank you. salaries. Thanks for joining us this week.

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I'm Morgan Lee, Associate Digital Media producer here at Christianity Today.

1:07.3

I'm joined by Christianity Today, editor-in-chief and my co-host, Mark Alley.

1:11.7

Hey.

1:12.7

Good afternoon, Mark.

1:14.0

It's practically evening for me since I was up at 3.30 this morning to catch a flight out of New York City to get here.

1:19.5

Boo-hoo, travel woes.

1:20.7

So, Mary, I may be a little bit incoherent.

1:23.5

Mar-a-Marth, no, Morgan.

1:27.6

I can't tell if that was actually on purpose or not.

1:30.1

That was on purpose.

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Okay.

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