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The Oath and The Office

The Hard Coup Has Begun: Trump Escalates His War on America

The Oath and The Office

Corey Brettschneider

Government, News, Politics

4.9 • 591 Ratings

🗓️ 14 August 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Corey and John open with a personal note: The Presidents and The People has just won the American Bar Association’s Silver Gavel Award for its defense of the rule of law—a mission now more urgent than ever. Trump’s tactics are shifting from a “soft coup” to a “hard coup,” with hallmarks of a violent takeover: using the military to control local police, deploying the FBI for political ends, and undermining judicial independence. In California, Governor Newsom is fighting back in federal court, standing in the tradition of state resistance; in Washington, D.C., Trump’s sweeping powers underscore the urgent need for D.C. statehood. Corey exposes Pam Bondi’s retaliatory push to investigate Judge James E. Boasberg, the politicization of economic data with a loyalist now leading the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and a brewing Supreme Court challenge that could end the constitutional right to same-sex marriage. A clear-eyed look at the opening moves of a hard coup—and what it will take to stop it.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Oath and the Office podcast starring Professor Corey Brechtider.

0:14.8

I am John Fugles saying there is no emergency in Washington, D.C., but the guy who had D.C. cops beaten for a lie is calling

0:24.0

out the National Guard for all that D.C. crime. I am so pleased to welcome to you. Professor

0:30.3

Corey Brechtnyder, constitutional law scholar, political scientist and author whose work has always

0:35.6

examined the balance between liberty and democratic

0:38.7

governance. He is the author of The Oath in the Office and the Presidents of the People.

0:42.7

And today we're going to talk about the growing militarization of federal power, attacks on

0:46.5

judicial independence, manipulation of official statistics, and the looming threat to marriage

0:52.1

equality. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome a man just honored by the American Bar Association

0:57.1

with the Silver Gavill Award for his work defending the rule of law.

1:00.7

Professor Corey Brett Schneider.

1:02.0

Hello, sir.

1:03.0

Thanks so much, John.

1:04.2

What a pleasure to be with you.

1:05.5

And what a group of topics we have.

1:07.9

I mean, this, you know, militarization of the D.C., of the governance of Washington, D.C., the use of the military in L.A.

1:17.6

We've been talking throughout this podcast about the idea of a self-coup, the president taking over the other branches.

1:25.7

And that so far has had a kind of subtle dimension, what sometimes is called this soft coup, not violence. But now as the military comes out, it looks like we're moving more towards a coup, towards a hard coup, as political scientists talk about it. And, of course, these other assaults on democracy on the judiciary, Judge Boasberg's attempt to get justice through contempt

1:45.1

hearings. So important. I'm glad we're going to cover that. We're going to cover all of it.

1:48.9

And looking forward to the conversation. Okay, but you did a good job, Professor, of glossing over

1:54.3

the fact that I congratulated you receiving the Silver Gaville Award from the American Bar Association.

1:59.8

I'm sorry, I'm just a mook here.

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