The Hangover Chapter 3: Chris Stirewalt and Matt Continetti

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🗓️ 3 June 2021

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Chris Stirewalt’s third guest is AEI Fellow and Washington Free Beacon founder Matthew Continetti, who gives voice to the story of the GOP’s ascendant populism from the historical perspective of the American right and the conservative movement. As Matt says, while Trump may have proved the usefulness of populism as a last-ditch electoral strategy, the long-form history of right-wing populism shows that “apocalypticism is a feature, or even the dark side, of populist movements.” By Matt’s lights, conservative politicians in Washington had a vastly different understanding of what “constitutional conservatism” meant compared to the grassroots, but they kept in lockstep regardless. These contradictions simmered under the surface for years, only to explode into the Trump campaign. “For the Tea Partiers, [it meant] that the current government in Washington D.C. was something of an alien, invasive presence. And radical measures were necessary to beat it back.” Additionally, tune in for an analysis of Trump’s “mental jiu-jitsu” and a unique critique of the 2012 GOP autopsy. Show Notes: -Matt’s book on Sarah Palin -Joe Wurzelbacher becomes ‘Joe the Plumber’ -Rick Santelli starts the Tea Party on live television -“The Two Faces of the Tea Party” -Matt discusses Bush’s immigration reform proposal -Buchanan’s 1992 “Culture War” speech -Obama, a pen, and a phone -David Shor speaks to the importance of “ideological positioning” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hi, I'm Chris Starrwell, and this is The Hangover, a limited run podcast from the dispatch
0:04.8	and dispatch media that aims to figure out how Republicans took the shortest trip for
0:08.6	a party, nearly 70 years from total control in Washington, to absolute minority.
0:13.7	The GOP doesn't seem very interested in understanding why, so we'll have to do it for them.
0:18.5	How did the surprise success of 2016 give way to defeat, an effort to steal the election,
0:23.2	and the siege of the Capitol, and what comes next?
0:27.1	As you've caught nanny, knows more about the history of conservatism in the Republican
0:30.9	Party than probably any writer working today.
0:34.2	He is the author of a forthcoming book on those subjects that will no doubt quickly become
0:38.1	the authoritative reference.
0:39.9	Maybe that's why he was among the first journalists more than a decade ago to accurately foretell
0:44.4	the populist revolt that remade the grand bold party.
0:47.6	He studied history at Columbia before serving as the opinion editor for the weekly standard
0:51.4	and the founding editor-in-chief of the Washington Freebeacon.
0:54.5	He is a contributing editor for National Review and a columnist for commentary magazine,
0:58.8	as well as my trusted colleague at the American Enterprise Institute.
1:02.6	If you want to know what time it is, why not ask the guy who knows how the clock was made?
1:07.3	That's you, thank you for being with us.
1:18.6	Thanks for having me, Chris.
1:21.7	Okay, so I remember the addition of the weekly standard with Sarah Palin on the cover,
1:33.3	you wrote the cover piece for probably 2009 about the Jacksonian revolution inside the
1:45.1	Republican Party.
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