I make stuff.

I don't care if it's a painting or a poem or a podcast or a book.

It's all sculpture to me.

Tom Sacks is an artist. He's a sculptor. He is a designer.

The prolific New York-based artist whose work defies categorization.

The very, very human artist.

Beneath that is this idea of the power of storytelling.

I despise the elitism of the art world.

There should be a sign on every work of art on the wall that says you don't need to read the sign to understand this art.

Authenticity is everything.

Artists do not have a corner on creativity.

What are the kind of things that I want to make? What are the stories that I want to tell?

It's a real honor to have you here. I've wanted to meet you for quite a long time. I've been a fan at arm's length for many years. One of your

banger quotes is, if at first you don't succeed, give up immediately. Yes. So important. So important.

And this is, if anything comes from a place of privilege, it's that. Because we don't always have

time. Sometimes we have to get

through the problem and make a decision. But if we have a little bit of extra time, giving up

immediately is the equivalent of sleeping on it. If you have a problem and you sleep on it,

sometimes your subconscious mind can work on the problem. So this is how, if at first you don't

succeed, give up immediately. It works. Work the problem until you this is how, if at first you don't succeed, give up immediately

works. Work the problem until you get stuck. Give up immediately and move on to another

problem, another project. Work that problem until you hit a wall. Move on to the third project.

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