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Visit Petjavity.co.uk for full details. Hello and welcome to The Hand Cell, where interesting people tell us about books that they think we should read.

I'm Jen Northington. I'm coming to you from Book Riot. And today's guest is Julian Ugin, author of the recently published No Country for Eight Spot Butterflies. Welcome, Julian.

Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate being on. Yeah, we're so excited to talk to you. You are a very

interesting person. The definition of an interesting person. So if you would, would you tell our listeners a little

bit about who you are as a reader as well as an author? Okay, sure. So, you know, as a reader,

I just, I live for sentences, you know.

Sometimes it's like I remember entire books because of a single sentence that was just, I don't know, left me breathless and changed, you know?

And then sometimes I love a really good story, you know, and I can kind of forgive, you know, the writing even when it's, I don't know, there's no restraint or whatever. It's the story so good. I'm in. You know, it's just sometimes, you know, the writing, even when it's, I don't know, there's no restraint or whatever, but the story's so good, I'm in. You know, it just sometimes, you know, it just

sort of depends. And I'm totally open to different genres, although, like, lately, I've been

reading a ton of nonfiction, which is in part because I'm writing my own sort of a nonfiction collection.

I having just written one and writing one more now,

it's just, I don't know, it's important for me to just sort of hear

and listen to what sort of my colleagues are saying,

especially those who are writing around the same topics, for example,

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