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And circle up with Point of Grace. So today we're going to talk about a slightly unusual topic when it comes to presidents.

And it's a bit of a fun topic, maybe even a little gross.

And that topic is hair.

Hair and the presidency.

Our guest today, Theodore Pappas, has just written a book about that subject.

It's titled, Coming Through the White House.

Theodore was the executive editor of Encyclopedia Britannica.

He's published five books, several books, and he's written for all the major newspapers,

everything from Wall Street Journal to New York Times,

a whole bunch of other publications, magazines.

And so he has all the credentials for great history, and he's written a very interesting book.

So, Theodore, thanks for being on our show.

My pleasure. Great to meet you, Richard.

So you start the book with a fun story about President Obama in the Oval Office during

his first year as president.

So what's the story there?

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