The Gutowski Files: Two Flawed Appeals Court Decisions
Active Self Protection Podcast
John Correia and Mike Willever
4.9 • 542 Ratings
🗓️ 24 September 2025
⏱️ 38 minutes
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Summary
On this installment of the Gutowski Files we sit down with investigative reporter Stephen Gutowski of thereload.com and discuss two recent appeals court decisions (2nd circuit and 7th circuit) upholding gun-free zones in Illinois and New York as being within the tradition of the founding era.
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| 0:00.0 | Well, all right again. Guess what? The Gautowski Files is back. |
| 0:25.1 | I'm terrible at sound effects. I shouldn't have done that. Anyway, what be like a morning show now. |
| 0:29.3 | The Gatowski Files starring our very own Stephen Gatowski. It's been almost three weeks. We apologize for the for the in between there, but I was off on vacation and at the |
| 0:39.0 | active self-protection national conference. And Stephen is fresh off of his bachelor party. |
| 0:43.8 | How the heck did that go? |
| 0:45.3 | It went great. We, uh, we went down to the shore, the Delaware shore, and we did some |
| 0:51.0 | off-roading, actually on the Maryland shore near Ocean, where you used to be a cop down there, right? |
| 0:57.7 | A seasonal police officer. That's correct. I had a good time. We didn't get arrested, so that's good. |
| 1:02.7 | Right. I think before you left, I said, don't let one of your groomsmen buy any, any Ruthie's office. |
| 1:08.9 | I guess you guy at the convenience was a that was a hangover |
| 1:12.0 | reference in case you didn't catch it yes i did i did get i love the hangover so i'm a 30-something |
| 1:17.2 | white guy so i appreciate the hang of her outstanding don't me but let me feel old all right so |
| 1:22.6 | i think we'll probably get around to some sports talk at the end of this a lot has gone on since |
| 1:26.6 | we haven't talked since the beginning of the NFL season. I don't think about sports. So that'll be fun. |
| 1:32.8 | Yes, we'll talk about that at the end. But first, we're going to discuss two articles over at the reload. |
| 1:38.7 | The first by Jake Fogelman, Second Circuit upholds New York gun carry restrictions, and the other one by Stephen |
| 1:44.9 | Gatowski, about the seventh circuit doing something similar with different logic. So talk to us |
| 1:50.0 | about the New York one. For those who don't know, what are the restrictions in New York that were |
| 1:54.5 | in question here to begin with? Yes, a lot to talk about here too. And perhaps, depending, I guess, on your point of view, more important than the sports talk. |
| 2:03.9 | So in the second circuit, which is, this was a challenge to New York's, what we've taken to calling Bruin Response law, both of these are challenges to what we've taken to calling Bruin Response laws. |
| 2:18.9 | So for those who don't remember, the Supreme Court handed down a landmark decision in 2022 called New York State Rifle and Pistol Association beat Bruin, which struck down New York's restrictive and subjective, or may or a may issue, gun permitting system, |
| 2:38.0 | gun carry permitting system. And in doing so, also established a new standard for deciding |
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