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It's the 10% happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris. Hello everybody how we doing we've got a fascinating and very personal

discussion today about the often very painful

painful gap between the way you feel on the inside

and the way the world perceives you from the outside.

We also cover the urgency and difficulty of sitting with your own discomfort and much, much more.

I should say from the jump here that my guest today is an old friend, so do not expect journalistic

objectivity here. Anna Marie Tenler is an artist and writer.

She's also the author of a buzzy new book

that has just been released called Men have called Her Crazy.

It starts with the story of Anna checking herself into a psychiatric hospital back in 2021 as her marriage was falling apart

While in the psychiatric hospital she does a deep dive on a form of therapy called

dialectical behavioral therapy or dBT which she will talk about in this interview

and which she found incredibly helpful she also does a lot of thinking about her painful history

of entanglements with men, which, as you can tell from the title of the book,

is a major theme.

So we talk about that, of course.

I think it's interesting that this, the first interview she's done for her new book

is with a male interviewer she also mentions that her shrink is a male so it's

complicated it's also very interesting like I said so we'll get started with my friend Anna Marie

tender right after this. But for some blatant self-promotion this will be quick

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