There's a fundamental level of distrust between Maga and Big Tech.

When you start breaking into things like what they believe happens after they die,

what they think is moral or amoral or immoral.

What they think is moral or immoral. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, made in partnership with The Nation magazine.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Tina Nguyen.

Tina is a senior reporter for The Verge and the author of The Maga Diaries, My Surreal Adventures Inside the Right Wing and How I Got Out. Tina wrote a

fascinating article recently about visiting NatCon 5, the annual gathering of the powerhouses of the

MAGA right wing in the United States. And I found this particularly fascinating because

Tina was laying out basically how you have these people who are kind of the leaders of the MAGA

movement, really dedicated people on the extreme right in the United States who, you know,

are basically laying out their vision for the country, making their arguments for what the

politics of the Trump

administration and of the broader country should be. Meanwhile, you have these people from the tech

industry who are there, who are trying to show that they are also part of this national conservative

movement. And it's clear that there is a rift, right? It's clear that these people are really not

seeing eye to eye with one another.

And it seems quite clearly that people in this national conservative movement are seeing

the tech industry very skeptically.

They don't believe that these are people who are really aligned with the values of this

extreme right-wing movement. And they even see some of the

technologies that these companies are creating as a threat to the broader political project that

they are trying to pursue. As I was reading this in this article, I thought, I really want to

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