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Stoveleg Media. Igniting conversation. This is true crime cast. I'm Jamie here with John in, I don't know, our second or third attempt at this. We've been doing this for a long time.

And it's rare that we have to redo the opening, but I hope that's not an omen.

Yeah, I mean, I feel good. Hopefully, hopefully we can pull it together and crank one out here.

Yeah, to be clear, the entire issue was, was me. So we're having having a good time we're glad you're here with us

for a case that has been requested many times and honestly been kind of putting it off because as

our writer mackenzie noted when she sent over the outline this is where jamy's going to be

looking at his phone a lot due to lots of

lots of violence in this one, particularly with children are involved. So there's your warning.

Yeah. This is a brutal to say the least. So I expect you to be on your phone quite a bit. I put

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