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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Bullwork Takes. I am Sunny Bunch. I'm culture editor at the Bullwork.

I'm very pleased to be joined today by Mark Hurtling because we are going to be talking about a subject that's near and dear to my heart, war movies, but a subject that Mark has a lot of experience with, obviously. A lot of, I'm not even, I'm not going to, everybody knows your CV here. So I'm not going to waste their time and bore them with that. But I'm really excited to talk about this because, A, I wanted to pick your brain on this topic for a while. This is, this is going to be a fun episode for me. But also, because I feel like there are some lessons here that we can learn can learn in the culture more broadly, but also, you know, maybe the folks in the White House, if they stumble across this video, if it shows up in their YouTube algorithm, they could take away a few things too. We'll see. I don't know. Mark, thanks for talking to me today. Hey, this is great, Sonny, and thanks for opening it up with culture. I'll insert one

thing that was you just brought up. You know, in the military, they tell us that we have to learn

leadership through a three-legged stool. The one leg is what you learn in the schoolhouse. The next

leg is what you learn through experiences and your operational assignment. And the third leg is what you

learn from self-study. And I consider watching war movies and reading books a self-study.

I kind of put together a list and we'll see what you think about it. I refuse to judge your list.

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