Well, welcome to Current Eel, Grant's Interest Rate Observer of the Air.

And I am Jim Grant, and with me as always is the great Evan Lorenz, deputy editor of Grants.

And I think we have Phil Grant on the line as well, who is the author and copy editor, fact checker, fact finder of almost daily grants,

the indispensable daily briefing on what has happened and sometimes what's going to happen.

That comes extra.

And with us today as well is a guest.

I guess it's conventional and indeed necessary to say special guests.

You can't just have a guest on a podcast.

But Elliot Brown is our special guest and he is a co-author of Cult of We.

We work.

You know, I'm going to confess, Elliot.

Is it Newman, Neumann, or something I haven't said yet?

So it's interesting. He's Israeli, and in Israel, they call him Adam Neumann. But in the U.S., he'd always been called Newman. So I was calling a bunch of people he knew from early in life and was like, why are you talking about Adam Neumann? His name is Adam Neumann.

It's like, is it like de Blasio changing his name over and over again?

Anyway, we are, we, that is now a loaded word.

Let's see, one, two, three, the four of us are here to talk about WeWork and its place in the

financial firmament. And whatever happened here, you know, Elliot, I imagine that you are

enjoying the most glorious phase of authorship, which is having written. Tell me about the

aftermath. Are you on one of these famous book tours, or is it all done virtually?

I know you're talking to other people besides, I think, besides Grant's interest rate observer,

although why that would be, I don't know.

What are you and Maureen up to?

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