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Hello and welcome to Empire Kinders Order, Kinder, with me, Anita Arnan.

And me, William, Durember.

Yeah, I mean, we are definitely us, but this is a little bit special at the top of the program because we're going to tell you about another goalhanger podcast, Journey Through Time, which is hosted by historians David Ollashogger and Sarah Church. Well, both very good friends. And they're brilliant. And it tells the story of, well, not a story,

really. It's history from the bottom up, if I can put it that way. An attempt to understand pivotal moments through the eyes of those who lived through them. And David's here with us

to discuss the podcast and the new series on the Great Fire of London. Can I tell you something, David?

I, with these hands and a small child and some Prit Stick, have created a Tudor house with flames

coming out of the window and upon his insistence, stick figures going, ah, I'm burning. So,

you know, I feel like I'm an expert too, frankly.

So what are we going to learn?

Listeners of podcasts may not realize that Anita actually has a talent for these things.

And if you go to her house, you can see that she has transformed flower pots into sort of boutiques and done amazing murals on her children's walls, the whole range

of talents. Crafty, David, crafty is what I am. But anyway, look, tell us what do we have to look

forward to in this podcast? So we're going to tell the story of the Great Fire. And as you said,

and as everybody who went to school in the UK knows, this is a story that

we're taught. It's absolutely essential part of history at school. It's one of the first things my

daughter learned and came back. Putting Lane, isn't that where it all started? I remember that

from my eight-year-old history classes. Exactly. There's so much that we know about it, but actually

so much that we don't. And what we try to do in Journey Through Time is paint a picture of what it was like to actually live through those events.

So much of histories taught through palaces and parliaments, what it was like to be the decision makers,

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