How many people are really leaving the church? Who are the people disengage in a

church and why are they quote de-churching? According to our guest today, Dr.

Ryan Purge, the shift away from religion is as large as the first and second great

awakenings combined, but in the opposite direction. This is what we're going to unpack today with our guest, Dr. Ryan Burge.

I'm your host, Sean McDow.

I'm your co-host Scott Ray.

And this is Think Biblically from Talbot School Theology, Biola University.

Dr. Burge, let's jump right into your book. Howlett School Theology, Biola University.

Dr. Burge, let's jump right into your book.

I've read a lot of books on people and young people disengage in the church,

and I found yours one of the best, super helpful,

but maybe we could start by defining the term

de-churching for us.

Yeah, so it's a measure of two questions. One is at your most frequent how often did you go to church and people

there would have to say they went monthly or more, so monthly, weekly or more than once a week.

And now you ask you how much they go now and they say seldom or never

so they would have to go at least once a month at some point in their life and now they go

seldom or never those that's the classification scheme we use for the concept of de-churching.

Okay, now we're going to discuss your other book, The Nuns.

How is D-Churching different from the term the nuns just for clarity.

Yeah, so when we think about religion, we call it the three bees was actually invented

by a Wheaton professor, behavior, belief, and belonging.

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