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Cosmosis [Formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole]

[The Great Dangerous Books Podcast] Jacques Vallée's 'Messengers of Deception' with Kelly Chase

Cosmosis [Formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole]

SpectreVision Radio

Social Sciences, Society & Culture, Science, Documentary

4.51K Ratings

🗓️ 11 August 2025

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

Fan favorite, James Madden, has a brand new project with his brilliant co-host Jared Zimmerer called The Great Dangerous Books Podcast. Check out this episode to catch the vibe of the show, and if you like what you hear, be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.  Subscribe to The Great Dangerous Books Podcast Spotify Apple Podcasts YouTube In this episode, Jim and Jared discuss the complexities of the UFO phenomenon with special guest Kelly Chase, focusing on Jacques Vallee's influential work 'Messengers of Deception.' They explore themes of manipulation, the unconscious, and the power of images in shaping belief systems. The conversation delves into the psychological impact of UFO experiences, the dangers of ontological shock, and the need for critical thinking in the field of ufology. Throughout, they emphasize the importance of self-awareness and the challenges of integrating extraordinary experiences into one's worldview. TIMESTAMPS 01:28 Introducing Kelly Chase and Her Work 03:09 Exploring Jacques Vallee's 'Messengers of Deception' 05:17 Vallee's Perspective on UFOs and Manipulation 09:47 The Reliability of Jacques Vallee 12:05 The Nature of Reality and Ideological Structures 15:04 The Impact of Ontological Shock 18:45 The Role of the Unconscious in UFO Phenomena 22:08 The Dangers of Manipulation and Belief Systems 27:44 Connecting Modernity and Public Manipulation 32:56 The Internet's Oppenheimer: Valet's Perspective 35:32 The Power of Images and Human Manipulation 39:57 Gnosticism and the Quest for Knowledge 44:05 The Nature of UFO Phenomena and Human Belief 47:35 The Intersection of Science and Mythology 52:11 Critical Inquiry and the Nature of Belief 55:32 The Joy of Inquiry and the Dangers of Ufology Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

You live your whole life and then in one second you learn what it's like for primal terror to swallow you, mind and body.

0:16.0

He was standing in the hallway, lit only on his left side by the bulb.

0:26.5

Just as he appeared in the photograph I'd found, he was very small, much shorter than his

0:32.3

brother, my father, Eric. The family had said he'd always been boy-faced and a bit skinny. Now, standing

0:41.0

there, he looked old and sick as well, but he looked angry too. Not for a moment that I think he was

0:50.2

alive and some terrible mistake had been made. I knew instinctively that he was not really there,

0:57.8

that I was looking at Herman in the depleted physical state he had died in. He was wrong,

1:05.8

he said again, his whole body trembling slightly. He jabbed his finger toward me, almost in tears.

1:13.7

I could have been a chemist.

1:15.6

I had the grades.

1:18.3

I think I tried to speak then, but it was stable.

1:22.3

Uncle Herman kept his finger pointed in a threatening way,

1:26.6

as if it were up to me to change the past.

1:30.3

He turned with creaky slowness and took a couple of steps deeper into the hallway, toward the kitchen,

1:37.3

leaving all light behind him, becoming a silhouette.

1:41.3

He turned back just before he reached the threshold of the other room. His face was a

1:46.8

black blur, but his voice was still clear. There's a fourth body, you know, he said, voice,

1:54.9

hoarse. Shovel still in the shed.

2:02.7

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2:08.9

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2:15.2

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2:34.8

Hey guys, it's Kelly. I'm coming to you from the field where Jay and I are out shooting a bunch of new great content for the Cosmosis podcast. I wanted to let you guys know that coming up over the next days and weeks, we're going to be transitioning the podcast into a more video forward format. And so if you're used to just listening to the podcast, I'd really encourage you

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