The Gratitude List: Andrew and Lisa Roussos | 14
How Do You Cope?
Wondery
5 • 695 Ratings
🗓️ 22 May 2025
⏱️ 21 minutes
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Summary
In this week’s bonus episode, Andrew and Lisa Roussos share the 5 things they are grateful for.
After losing their daughter Saffie in the Manchester Arena bombing, Andrew and Lisa questioned whether they would ever find joy again. Here they describe their gratitude for the emergency services, for the people of Manchester, and for Saffie herself.
Head to the main episode to hear about Andrew and Lisa’s experiences of the bombing, and how they were able to cope in its aftermath.
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| 0:49.0 | Music Well, I'm delighted to say that Andrew and Lisa Rousos have joined me for the Gratitude List, our bonus podcast here on How Do You Cope? |
| 1:10.3 | I wanted to talk in general just about how you saw |
| 1:14.8 | the publication of the book, Safi, as a way of moving on from perhaps how Safi's memory had been |
| 1:22.3 | defined for you, you know, by the circumstances in which Safi died. And having spoken to people about grief, |
| 1:34.6 | one thing that's come up a lot is being able to give yourself permission to find joy in life |
| 1:41.1 | after a loss, to have wonder and excitement and laughter and not feel |
| 1:46.4 | guilty about that. And I wonder if you could talk about that process for you guys, because |
| 1:52.1 | it must be a difficult one to allow yourself to feel joy again, but so important for |
| 2:00.0 | moving on with your lives? |
| 2:01.6 | Well, I'd like to start that, John, because I couldn't have put it any better myself. |
| 2:07.6 | When something like this happens, particularly I felt the first few years that |
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