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So, Hannah, welcome back to the podcast. It's so good to see you again. It's been a while. But funny enough, there's plenty to talk about, as always. It's always grand, and it's such a pleasure to be chatting to you today. The kind of genesis of this particular call was a, I want to call it a book. It's a small book or a big research report. I don't know which, but it felt like a book because it's got some real heft to it, but it's called Petro Dollar to Digital

Yuan. And this is a subject that you've been looking at for some time now and is a subject

that is floating around everywhere. And I find that everybody is incredibly dogmatic about it.

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