The Grand Spectacle of Pope Week
Critics at Large | The New Yorker
The New Yorker
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🗓️ 15 May 2025
⏱️ 47 minutes
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Summary
In the weeks since Pope Francis’s passing, the internet has been flooded by papal memes, election analysis, and even close readings of the newly appointed Pope Leo XIV’s own posts. On this episode of Critics at Large, Vinson Cunningham, Naomi Fry, and Alexandra Schwartz consider why the moment has so captivated Catholics and nonbelievers alike. They discuss the online response and hear from the writer Paul Elie, who’s been covering the event on the ground at the Vatican for The New Yorker. Then the hosts consider how recent cultural offerings, from last year’s “Conclave” to the HBO series “The Young Pope,” depict the power and pageantry of the Church, with varying degrees of reverence. Leo XIV’s first address as Pope began with a message of peace—an act that may have contributed to the flurry of interest and excitement around him. “The signs are hopeful,” Cunningham says. “And reasons to hope attract attention.”
Read, watch, and listen with the critics:
“Francis, the TV Pope, Takes His Final Journey,” by Vinson Cunningham (The New Yorker)
“White smoke, Black pope?,” by Nate Tinner Williams (The National Catholic Reporter)
“The First American Pope,” by Paul Elie (The New Yorker)
“Brideshead Revisited,” by Evelyn Waugh
“Conclave” (2024)
“Angels & Demons” (2009)
“The Young Pope” (2016)
“The Two Popes” (2019)
Pope Leo XIII’s “Rerum Novarum”
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| 0:00.0 | This is Critics at Large, a podcast from The New Yorker. |
| 0:07.2 | I'm Alex Schwartz. |
| 0:08.5 | I'm Nomi Fry. |
| 0:09.7 | And I'm Vincent Cunningham. |
| 0:11.3 | Each week on this show, we make sense of what's happening in the culture right now and how we got it. |
| 0:19.6 | Hello. |
| 0:20.2 | Hello. |
| 0:20.6 | Hello. And welcome to Pope Week. How's it going? I feel like that's... What a week it's been. I feel like we're on the Great British Bake Off and it's not Bread Week, it's Pope Week. It's Pope Week. We have to manufacture a Pope. Make a big white Italian cake. Exactly. American cake. American cake. |
| 0:38.5 | There we go. |
| 0:39.1 | There we go. |
| 0:39.4 | It's true. |
| 0:39.9 | It's true. |
| 0:46.0 | Over the last week, we three, like so many others, I'm assuming many of you listeners, |
| 0:57.0 | have been laser focused on the pump, the circumstance, around the new American Chicago-born Pope, Leo the 14th. For pache be with all of you. |
| 1:01.0 | There was, of course, the, after the death of Francis, |
| 1:08.0 | the actually, like the totally beautiful funeral. |
| 1:13.0 | Which you wrote about. |
| 1:14.1 | Which I did write about. |
| 1:16.2 | And then the great mass sending him off and then the waiting, the conclave. |
| 1:23.0 | Cardinals like, well, like redbirds, you know, flocking up and down into a room. |
| 1:29.1 | Sharing a smoke? |
| 1:30.5 | Sharing a smoke by the side of the loggia. |
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