Hello, everyone. I'm JV.L. from The Bullwork, and I am joined today by Radley Balco, who has been writing about police and law enforcement and civil rights for forever in a day.

20 years?

Too long.

20. I mean, really, 20 years, right? I mean, I've started reading you when I was like a kid, and I think you were also

a kid at the time. We're basically the same age. We came up through journalism together. Right now,

Radley runs a fantastic substack called The Watch. I was one of his first premium subscribers. You

should be, too. It's fantastic. Bradley, I want to talk to you about Minneapolis.

You wrote a fantastic piece for the New York Times and not for your own substack, which

was very generous of you, because you hit on something that I have been sort of obsessing

over, which is that what is different about Minneapolis is a real difference.

There are bad people and bad professionals in all lines of work.

You get very bad criminal-level priests, very bad criminal-level nurses and doctors, very bad

criminal-level law enforcement officers, right?

People who do their jobs badly and cause harm.

The difference in Minneapolis is like the institutional level response all the way up

through the government, which immediately then, you know, A, insisted that these things that we saw

weren't real, B, insisted that the people

being killed were domestic terrorists, and C, tried to, like, close off local law enforcement

from doing post-shooting investigations. Can you talk a little bit about, and just try to explain

to people, like, why this isn't just a

difference in scale. It's a difference in kind. Yes, I think the best way to kind of articulate

what's happening here is to talk about what happens after a normal police shooting versus

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