Welcome to the conversations that matter Podcast. My name is John Harris. We're going to talk about an article from July 25th, 2017. July 25th, 2017. I want to show you this because someone's, some people have asked me where I got the idea that

the social justice movement functions like a religion and you some of you saw the

chart in my book Christianity and social justice religions and, and conflict.

And some thought, hey, this is awesome.

Where did you get this?

And then people are sending me articles

from other people who have noticed this.

And it's true, like other people have seen this.

In fact, if you go back to pre- people have

philosophers, I talk about some of them in my book,

you have philosophers, I talk about some of them in my book

saying the same thing, that this is a secular

religion so this isn't a new observation but I did come at this observation

independently so there wasn't anything that I was reading specifically that made this case and then I

I copied what they said or I took their ideas. Actually this is actually something I just I thought of. If anything there was a friend of mine who I talked through some of these things with back in 2017, but I had been thinking these things since probably 2014.

The seeds were planted in my mind.

And where they got planted actually

was at Southeastern Baptist The theological seminary. I was attending

a seminary and going to chapel and at the time it wasn't really woke in the sense that it became

woke in 2017 and 18, especially really right after Donald

Trump was elected, but it definitely had that flavor starting a little bit. And it didn't bother me a lot a lot but it did

bother me it wasn't like it didn't characterize the whole campus certainly it's it

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