This is Free Thought Radio with co-host Stan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor, Irreverent Views, News, Music, and Interviews.

Imagine there's no heaven.

It's easy if you try.

No hell below us

Above us only sky

Imagine all the people

living for today I and never brought him out Should all the acquaintance be forgot

For old long sign

For old long sign, Maduro For old longsine, Maduro, for old longsine.

Will takak up, oh kindness yet, for old longsine? for all land Sayy

Hi, I'm Annie Laurie Gaylor and Mary Mithmas, and a happy early New Year.

And that, of course, was the Scottish singer Mary Campbell singing the words of Freethinker Robert Burns.

And I'm Dan Barker. Annie Laurie and I are co-presidents of the Freedom from Religion Foundation.

This is the December 25th, 2025 episode of Free Thought Radio.

And if we go by the astronomical new year, not by the calendar,

we have already entered the new year on December 21st. So indeed, happy New Year. We're recording

this show in the Stephen Ool Friendly Atheist Studio in Freethought Hall, the national headquarters of FFRF in Madison, Wisconsin.

And Fethought Radio is the weekly production of the Freedom from Religion Foundation, which works to uphold and defend the constitutional principle of separation between state and church

that originated in the United States and will be celebrating the 250th anniversary of

the creation of the United States in 2026 and don't let the Christian nationalists turn this

into a Christian nationalist history

because it is a secular history, first among nations, to separate state and church,

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