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This is Deep State Radio.

Coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of

Snark in Washington, D.C. and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hi, this is David Rothkoff, your host and we are coming to you as we do every Thursday from New York, a studio here provided to us courtesy of the comedy cellar, even though not much of what we talk about is terribly funny.

But one of the good things about it is that it's across the street from NYU Law School,

where we find Ryan Goodman on a regular basis of just security and also a professor at

NYU Law School, and joining us on the of just security and also a professor at NYU law school.

And joining us on the phone today, we have Mimi Roca, who is a former federal prosecutor.

You may have seen her on MS NBC, where she is a regular commentator and she also teaches at Pace

Law School which is not that far from here. Welcome Mimi. Thank you. Thanks for

having me.

And welcome Ryan.

Now, we do this at our Thursday episodes, we always do live and then they go on to the

podcast.

And of course, we've because we think so highly both of you, we've arranged to have news break within five

minutes of going on there.

So we're all sitting here like reading Twitter and checking on our phones, but I do want to start with it because I think it's an interesting case and then we'll move on to some of the other issues that have been dominant in the news in the past week or so.

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