Fairness is important to me and I think it's important to a lot of people but there's also I think some really

Compelling ways to bring people into this conversation that are that are not justice related at all in the sense of

It's not like we're saying, okay, we need to sacrifice a bunch of things to make this work.

Because sometimes I worry that de-growth can be framed as like a politics of less.

It's like we just need less wealth and we need to

redistribute what we have and folks maybe don't want to get on board with that

because it sounds like some sort of regression but I like to think of it in terms of all of the positive utopian things that we can unlock if we start to treat the economy as a way to meet people's needs. Like, maybe we don't have to work as much. Hello and welcome to the Politics Girl Podcast. I'm your host Lee McGowan. Let's get into it.

A couple weeks ago we were lucky enough to have Sage Linier on the, to talk about a new way of looking at the

environmental crisis and how we can approach it from a solutions-oriented place rather than a

doom and gloom place.

As an extension to those ideas, and as a different way to talk about our climate, our

planet and our environment, I would like to add in our economy.

My guest today is Michael Mezaesta.

Michael is an economist, an entrepreneur, and an educator who has started using

social media to spread his ideas for a better future. You can see his videos on

Instagram and Tik-Tock where he explores the ideas of economics, climate, and finance, and how they all intersect.

Both Sage and Michael are out here doing the work to address how to improve our lives by changing

our culture, and both of them are coming up with solutions that are far different

than things we would have originally considered. It's not just about things like

recycling, it's about resetting our actual economy. And as someone with an economics

degree from Stanford University and a passion for this work,

Michael is one of the best people to talk to about this.

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